Thomas Phelps d 1751, Albemarle, VA

Thomas Phelps d 1751, Albemarle, VA

Revised 12/09/2011

This line matches closely with two other Phelps lines not previously associated with this line. For a ydna analysis and comments please link here

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The haplogroup of all the members of this line can reasonably be assumed to be E1a1 because of the deep clade testing of some members. While SNP testing is needed to prove this, FTDNA has expressed their belief that all members are of the same subclade (2/2011)

Green = Triangulated common ancestor

Yellow = some doubt

1. Thomas Phelps b. ca 1686, d 1751 Albemarle Co, VA (present Buckingham Co, VA), m. Elizabeth

2. John Phelps, Sr. b. ca 1730 Henrico or Goochland Co, VA. d. 8/7/1798 Madison Co, KY

| 3. Shadrach Phelps b: 03 Feb 1775 in Albemarle Co., Virginia d: 24 Dec 1855 in Russell Co., KY

| 4. John M. Phelps b 1802, Adair Co, KY (now Russel Co., KY )

| | 5. John Quincy PHELPS b: 21 Mar 1859 in Russell County, KY. d: 23 Jun 1919 in Russell Co., KY

| | Descendant Kit 72420 37 markers, Has 12 at DYS439

| 4. William P. Phelps b: 27 Jun 1813 in Adair Co. KY (now Russel Co) d: 10 Apr 1891 in Russell Co., KY

| 5. William H. Phelps b: Aug 1850 in Russell Co., KY. d: 1902 in Russell Co., KY

| Descendant Kit 84867 25 markers, Has 13 at DYS439

2. William Phelps b. circa 1718, d. 1749 Albemarle Co. Va. (present Buckingham Co, VA) )

3. James Phelps b. circa 1735 d. after 1800 (moved to Elbert Co. Ga. from Campbell Co. Va 1797-1800 ) m. Elizabeth

| 4. James Phelps of Wreck Island b. circa 1774 d. late 1840's (1847 I think) Hypothesis Click here to see JC Rogers submission

| | The next generation is a hypothesis since county source records were burned

| | 5. James Phelps of Albemarle Co, VA ,b. abt 1770 to1804, m. Betty One hypothesis is that this is James of Wreck Island.

| | 6. Charles Nelson Phelps b. abt 1821 VA d. 1887 Buckingham Co. VA, m. Catherine

| | 7. John D. Phelps (1880 Buckingham Co., VA Census) m. Dorothy Mason

| | Descendant kit 61678 25 Markers, Has 13 at DYS439

| 4. William P. Phelps b: 27 Jun 1813 in Adair Co. KY (now Russel Co) d: 10 Apr 1891 in Rus

| 4. Thomas Phelps, Sr b. abt 1783 Elbert Co, GA m. Christian Staples likely from Wreck Island Creek, Buckingham Co, Va.

| 5. John Wofford Phelps b. Jan. 23, 1821 Elbert Co. d. March 31, 1881, Elbert Co., m. Susan A. Moon

| 6. John Wofford Phelps Jr, b. 1862, Elbert, Georgia

| 7. John Wofford Phelps, b. 5 Sep 1891, Elbert Co., Ga . d 28 Feb 1984

| Descendant kit 218460 37 markers Has 13 at DYS439

3. William Phelps (d. ca 1811 Buckingham Co. Va.) (present Appomattox Co, VA), m. ? Click here to see JC's submission

4. James Phelps b ca. 1768 d. ? Buckingham Co, VA (present Appomattox Co) m. Jane Linthicum

5. William E. Phelps b. 1807 d. ? Buckingham Co, VA

6. George W. Phelps b. 5/1847 d. ? Appomattox Co, VA.

Descendant Kit 67919 37 markers Has 12 at DYS439 - and Uniquely a 35 at DYS449, typical of many in the Maryland Felps line

NOTE: the inconsistent values of 12 or 13 at DYS439 causes one to wonder if the lineages are aligned correctly. However solid paper trails trump ydna concerns

YDNA ANALYSIS

What is so curious about this line is that some of the members with well researched paper trails match better with some of the James Phelps line than with themselves. As with the James Phelps line, all have dual values at DYS 448 and all are Haplogroup E. The inconsistant values of 12 or 13 at DYS439 causes one to wonder if the lineages are aligned correctly. Also the 35 in DYS449 for kit 67919 is a concern considering many of the Felps/Phelps of the line of Thomas Felps of Maryland have this value. However solid paper trails trump ydna concerns

If we were to isolate these kits the DNA results would not be as impressive as we would like. Because these lines are so well researched, and because they match so well with some of the James Phelps of Caswell, NC line, (and the Pond) I feel we can say the line is proven back to Thomas Phelps b ca 1686 Albemarle Co. However further DNA tests are desirable.

Below in orange is the likely YDNA (modal) of the common ancestor of all three major Phelps lines and the likely (modal) of Thomas Phelps d 1751.

FTDNA's comment: "It is obvious from our observation of 10's of 1000's of samples that some markers change or mutate at a faster rate than others. Therefore not all markers should be treated the same for evaluation purposes. The markers in red below have shown a faster mutation rate then the average, and therefore these markers are very helpful at splitting lineages into sub sets, or branches, within your family tree." They also add that when a red fast moving marker mutation alone implies a wrong branch, strong consideration or preference should be given to proven paper trails.

FTDNA Configuration - DNA Results Comparison

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3
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8
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modal - The ikely ydna of the common ancestor of all three major lines

modal - and likely YDNA pf Thomas Phelps d 1751 Albemarle, VA

67919 (Thomas Phelps d 1751, Albemarle Co, VA) E1a

61678 (James & Betty Phelps c.1800, Buckingham, VA) E1a

84867 (Thomas Phelps d. 1751 in Albemarle) E1a

72420 (Thomas Phelps d 1751, Albemarle Co, VA) E

Distance from reference:

Zero

One

Two

Three+

Revised 2/17/2009

Genetic Distance

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modal

67919 (Thomas Phelps d 1751, Albemarle Co, VA) E1a

61678 (James & Betty Phelps c.1800, Buckingham, VA) E1a

84867 (Thomas Phelps d. 1751 in Albemarle) E1a

72420 (Thomas Phelps d 1751, Albemarle Co, VA) E

Related	Probably Related	Possibly Related
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 12 Markers
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 25 Markers
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 37 Markers

- Hybrid mutation model is used
- Values on the diagonal indicate number of markers tested

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