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                     James Phelps d. 1786 Caswell Co, NC 

                                            Revised 4/27/2011

 

This line matches closely with two other Phelps lines not previously associated with this line.  For a ydna analysis and comments please link here

 

Lineages displayed here were provided by individual ydna kit members, or their representatives, who are solely responsible for providing any ethical or copyright credits.. To view a more detailed genealogy of this line link to the Phelps Genealogy web site.    i

 

The haplogroup of all the members of this line can reasonably be assumed to be E1a1 because of the deep clade testing of some members.  While SNP testing is needed to prove this, FTDNA has expressed their belief that all members are of the same subclade  (2/20011)

 

Green = Triangulated most recent common ancestor

Yellow highlight indicates doubt

 

1.  James Phelps   b. ca 1740 (based on William's birth)  d.  April 19 1786 (stated in 1786 estate record)  Milton, Caswell Co,  NC,  Conceivably  in the All Hallows Parish, Anne Arundel, Md 1776 census,   See this research.    m. Mary Unknown

     2.   Ambrose Phelps b. bet 1776-1780, d 1829 Pulaski Co, KY     

     |      3.   Anderson Phelps              

     |       |     4.   Gilmore Phelps

     |       |                           Descendant  Kit 605  37 markers.  

     |       3.  Cabird Phelps  b 13 Dec 1801 Caswell Co, NC

     |             4.  James Galen “Gale”  Phelps 13 Oct 1834  Casey CO, KY

     |                    5.   James Monroe Phelps b 7 June 1863  Lincoln Co, Ky.  d. 28 Apr 1927 Rodman, Palo Alto, Iowa

     |                                      Descendant kit 172111

     2.  Larkin Phelps b. 2/1772-1/1773 NC, d. 2/1850  FLAT LICK, Pulaski County, Ky.

     |      3.   Leonard Phelps b. 1807 or  abt 1807  Pulaski County, Ky    Or  NC    d.  about 1880 Pulaski Co,  Ky.  or d. AFT 01 JUN 1880  SEE NOTE 1

     |            4.   William (Riley) Phelps b. 1838 Pulaski Co, Ky. d. 1906 PC, Ky.

     |             |      5.   James Newton or (Nute) b. 1873 Pulaki Co, Ky. d.1939 PC, Ky.

     |             |             6.  Homer Phelps b 1916 Pulaski County, Ky      

     |             |             |       Living descendant   Kit N31281 67 markers    SEE NOTE 2

     |             |             6.  Elmer Phelps b. 12/8/1910 Pulaski Co, Ky,    

     |             |                       Descendant  Kit  78660 37 markers    SEE NOTE 2

  |      4.  Enoch  PHELPS b.ABT 1838 Strawberry, Pulaski County, Kentucky d. unknown
     |                    5. Hayden  PHELPS b. 09 AUG 1882Pulaski County, Kentucky  d.FEB 1973Erlanger, Kenton County, Kentucky
     |                                      Descendant  Kit 194710  37 markers    SEE NOTE 2

    2.   Thomas Phelps Sr  , b c1768 Caswell Co, d. 1849 Person County

     |      3.   Ambrose "Amby" Phelps   b 1805 Caswell Co, d 1850 Caswell Co, NC

    |      |     4.  Jacob Amby Ibzan Phelps, b 1849 Caswell Co, NC

     |      |            5.   Charles Marion Phelps  b. c1878 Forsyth Co, NC, d. 1938 Forsyth Co, NC

     |      |                   6.   Roswell Kemper Phelps  b 1908 Winston Salem, NC d 1961 Forsyth Co, NC

    |      |                           descendant   Kit 41396 37 markers  

    |    3.    Thomas Haywood Phelps, b. 1813 Caswell Co NC, d 1888 Person Co

     |              4.   Wyatt Edward Phelps, b 1855 Person Co,d 1916 Person Co NC 

     |                    5.    Lewis Elmo Phelps b. 1896 Person Co NC d. 1957 Caswell Co NC

     |                                 descendant   Kit 41418  25 markers  

    2.    Obediah, Sr. ca. 1774 ( possibly. 11-5-1775) , d.  by 11/7/1844 (will),   moved to Pulaski KY by early 1800s

            3.   Lorenzo Dow Phelps b. abt 1805 in North Carolina

                  4.    Fountain Phelps, b.1840 Pulaski Co, KY

                                       descendant    Kit 41549 25 markers  

Note 1 Highlighted data is being resolved by the tested members 4/2011

Note 2  While the difference between two markers of N31281 and 78660 versus that of 94710 causes some concern, the genealogy research is said to be accurate.

 

Kit 149734, ancestor John Phelps b abt 1780 VA, son Eli, b VA 1810, d. Noblesville, Ind,  has no paper trail link to these three lines.  However based on his matching value of 14 in DYS576 with kits Felps kits 108474 and  130478, we might suspect that he descended from the Felps line.   One other Felps member, 114440 matches him perfectly at 25 markers  and upgrading to 37 markers might possibly include the marker value 14 which would strengthen the case for a Felps lineage.  See the Felps lineage page here.

 

1.. John Phelps b abt 1780, VA (based on census)  m Miriam Shinn   (I understand he may be referred to as a Felps????  Need to know this.)

     2. Eli  b 1810 VA,  d Noblesville, IN

         3.  Johathan Carey  b 12/28/1833 , IN d 6/19/1911 Noblesville,  IN.

               4.  Wallace Ellmer  b Noblesville , IN,   d 1852  Anderson,  IN

                     5. Roger Nelson b 1896  IN,  d 1934

                              Descendant  Kit 149734 

 

YDNA ANALYSIS  Updated 04/27/2011

The James Phelps line has 8 highly matching 25-marker or more tests (plus one matching Pond line).  Tests were from descendants of four different sons of James Phelps d. 1786.  Since the paper trail and the dna tests are so supportive, it is reasonable to conclude this lineage is proven back to James.

A lack of many mutations in this line seems to be different from other Phelps lines. There is some evidence that the  James Phelps line of Caswell Co, NC may also have moved from in Maryland in the 1700s.

The first row of the first table shows the modal or most frequently observed value. and is often the value of the common ancestor.  The calculated modal can be misleading with a small sample, but for now those values are most likely  what may have been the y-dna of the common ancestor.   The colors indicate the differences from the modal values.   Tables were create using a tool found at this site which approximates the analysis at FTDNA. 

 

FTDNA's comment:  "It is obvious from our observation of 10's of 1000's of samples that some markers change or mutate at a faster rate than others. Therfore not all markers should be treated the same for evaluation purposes. The markers in red  below have shown a faster mutation rate then the average, and therefore these markers are very helpful at splitting lineages into sub sets, or branches, within your family tree."  They also add that when a red fast moving marker mutation alone implies a wrong branch, strong consideration or preference should be given to proven paper trails.

 

FTDNA Configuration - DNA Results Comparison
ID D
Y
S
3
9
3
 		 D
Y
S
3
9
0
 		 D
Y
S
1
9
/
3
9
4
 		 D
Y
S
3
9
1
 		 D
Y
S
3
8
5
a
 		 D
Y
S
3
8
5
b
 		 D
Y
S
4
2
6
 		 D
Y
S
3
8
8
 		 D
Y
S
4
3
9
 		 D
Y
S
3
8
9
-
1
 		 D
Y
S
3
9
2
 		 D
Y
S
3
8
9
-
2
 		 D
Y
S
4
5
8
 		 D
Y
S
4
5
9
a
 		 D
Y
S
4
5
9
b
 		 D
Y
S
4
5
5
 		 D
Y
S
4
5
4
 		 D
Y
S
4
4
7
 		 D
Y
S
4
3
7
 		 D
Y
S
4
4
8
 		 D
Y
S
4
4
9
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
4
a
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
4
b
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
4
c
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
4
d
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
4
e
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
4
f
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
4
g
 		 D
Y
S
4
6
0
 		 G
A
T
A
H
4
 		 Y
C
A
I
I
a
 		 Y
C
A
I
I
b
 		 D
Y
S
4
5
6
 		 D
Y
S
6
0
7
 		 D
Y
S
5
7
6
 		 D
Y
S
5
7
0
 		 C
D
Y
a
 		 C
D
Y
b
 		 D
Y
S
4
4
2
 		 D
Y
S
4
3
8
 		 D
Y
S
5
3
1
 		 D
Y
S
5
7
8
 		 D
Y
S
3
9
5
S
1
a
 		 D
Y
S
3
9
5
S
1
b
 		 D
Y
S
5
9
0
 		 D
Y
S
5
3
7
 		 D
Y
S
6
4
1
 		 D
Y
S
4
7
2
 		 D
Y
S
4
0
6
S
1
 		 D
Y
S
5
1
1
 		 D
Y
S
4
2
5
 		 D
Y
S
4
1
3
a
 		 D
Y
S
4
1
3
b
 		 D
Y
S
5
5
7
 		 D
Y
S
5
9
4
 		 D
Y
S
4
3
6
 		 D
Y
S
4
9
0
 		 D
Y
S
5
3
4
 		 D
Y
S
4
5
0
 		 D
Y
S
4
4
4
 		 D
Y
S
4
8
1
 		 D
Y
S
5
2
0
 		 D
Y
S
4
4
6
 		 D
Y
S
6
1
7
 		 D
Y
S
5
6
8
 		 D
Y
S
4
8
7
 		 D
Y
S
5
7
2
 		 D
Y
S
6
4
0
 		 D
Y
S
4
9
2
 		 D
Y
S
5
6
5
 
modal  - the likely values of the common ancestor 13 22 15 9 15 16 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17 10 11 18 21 17 12 16 18 33 34 11 10 10 8 15 15 8 10 10 8 11 12 12 24 24 20 11 14 12 15 8 12 27 22 14 11 11 14 9 12 11 11
78660 James Phelps d. 1785 Caswell Co, NC E1a 13 21 15 9 15 17 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17 10 11 18 21 17 12 16 18 33 34 11 10                                                            
N31281 James Phelps d. 1785 Caswell Co, NC E1a 13 21 15 9 15 17 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17 10 11 18 21 17 12 16 18 33 34 11 10 10 8 15 15 8 10 10 8 11 12 12 24 24 20 11 14 12 15 8 12 27 22 14 11 11 14 9 12 11 11
194710 E 13 22 15 9 15 16 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 19 34 15 15 16 17 10 11 18 21 17 12 16 18 33 34 11 10                                                            
41418 James Phelps d. 1786 Caswell Co, NC E 13 22 15 9 15 16 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17                                                                                    
41549 James Phelps, Caswell Co., NC E1a 13 22 15 9 15 16 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17                                                                                    
605 James Phelps b c1740 m. Mary, d Aug 1785 Milton, E1a 13 22 15 9 15 16 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17 10 11 18 21 17 12 16 17 33 34 11 10                                                            
41396 [White European] James Phelps d1785 CaswellCo, NC E1a 13 22 15 9 15 16 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17 10 11 18 21 17 12 16 18 33 34 11 10                                                            
172111 James Phelps d 1786 Caswell Co, NC E 13 22 15 9 15 16 11 12 12 12 12 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 34 15 15 16 17 10 12 18 21 17 12 16 18 33 34 11 10                                                            
Distance from reference: Zero One Two Three+

 

 

 

Genetic Distances  (The number of differences, or mutations, between two sets of results. A genetic distance of zero means there are no differences in the results being compared against one another. ie an exact match)

 

The first row of the first table shows the modal or most frequently observed value. and is often the value of the common ancestor.

 

The analyses presented here uses a tool which simulates FTDNA's analysis. Similar data in these tables can be seen at your logon at FTDNA.   Below is a table comparing every member of this line to every other line to show the genetic distances.  Note the number of tested markers for each kit in the diagonals (12,25,37, 64).   As you compare one kit to another, note the fewest number of markers tested of the two men and click on the appropriate link "FTDNA's intrepreting genetic distance" to understand the relatedness.  A similar genetic distance is provided to each person logging in to FTDNA and asking for YDNA matches;

 

Note the number of tested markers in the white diagonals and then click on the blue FTDNA link for further information about the displayed distance number.   The minimal number of markers tested between each man is considered.

 

Genetic Distance
ID m
o
d
a
l
 		 7
8
6
6
0

 		 N
3
1
2
8
1

 		 1
9
4
7
1
0

 		 4
1
4
1
8

 		 4
1
5
4
9

 		 6
0
5


 		 4
1
3
9
6

 		 1
7
2
1
1
1

 
modal the likely  common ancestor 67 2 2 1 0 0 1 0 1
78660 James Phelps d. 1785 Caswell Co, NC E1a 2 37 0 3 2 2 3 2 3
N31281 James Phelps d. 1785 Caswell Co, NC E1a 2 0 67 3 2 2 3 2 3
194710 E 1 3 3 37 1 1 2 1 2
41418 James Phelps d. 1786 Caswell Co, NC E 0 2 2 1 25 0 0 0 0
41549 James Phelps, Caswell Co., NC E1a 0 2 2 1 0 25 0 0 0
605 James Phelps b c1740 m. Mary, d Aug 1785 Milton, E1a 1 3 3 2 0 0 37 1 2
41396 [White European] James Phelps d1785 CaswellCo, NC E1a 0 2 2 1 0 0 1 37 1
172111 James Phelps d 1786 Caswell Co, NC E 1 3 3 2 0 0 2 1 37
Related Probably Related Possibly Related
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 12 Markers
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 25 Markers
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 37 Markers
FTDNA's Interpreting Genetic Distance for 67 Markers
- Hybrid mutation model is used
- Values on the diagonal indicate number of markers tested

 

Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (in generations)   Probability is 90% that the TMRCA is no longer than indicated      The table shows the number of  generations within which one would expect to have a common ancestor with every other kit. - at a 90% probability.    As you compare one kit to another, note the fewest number of markers tested of the two men (12, 25, 37, 64) in the white box on the diagonal.  Fewer tested markers  will lengthen the expected generations.)     Similar information, expressed differently,  is provided to each person logging in to FTDNA and asking for YDNA matches; for each match is a link to a FTDNATip report which shows several choices of generations within which a common ancestor is expected with a related probabilities.   The analyses below was created using a tool which simulates FTDNA's analysis

In the table below, most important is the row/column called "Modal".  The modal shows the ydna values of a theoretical common ancestor  using the values most often seen.  The science says that theoretical member would be what the common ancestor to all of the members would have.    CAUTION:  Kits having more markers will influences the modal, causing them to be statistically nearer to the modal, which could be misleading.

When members login to ftdna and ask for matches they see only those matches with a "relevant" match as determined by FTDNA.  Some near misses may not show up even when genealogy indicates a relationship.  Below is a table comparing every man of this line to every other man, showing the number of generations within which they might share a Most Recent Common Ancestor.

Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (Generations)
ID m
o
d
a
l
 		 4
9
7
3
4


 		 6
0
5



 		 4
1
3
9
6



 		 4
1
4
1
8


 		 4
1
5
4
9

 		 7
8
6
6
0



 		 N
3
1
2
8
1


 		 1
7
2
1
1
1

 
modal the likely  common ancestor 67 14 10 10 10 10 10 6 10
78660 James Phelps d. 1785 Caswell Co, NC E1a 14 37 6 17 25 25 17 14 17
N31281 James Phelps d. 1785 Caswell Co, NC E1a 10 6 67 17 25 25 17 14 17
194710 E 10 17 17 37 18 18 14 10 14
41418 James Phelps d. 1786 Caswell Co, NC E 10 25 25 18 25 10 10 10 10
41549 James Phelps, Caswell Co., NC E1a 10 25 25 18 10 25 10 10 10
605 James Phelps b c1740 m. Mary, d Aug 1785 Milton, E1a 10 17 17 14 10 10 37 10 14
41396 [White European] James Phelps d1785 CaswellCo, NC E1a 6 14 14 10 10 10 10 37 10
172111 James Phelps d 1786 Caswell Co, NC E 10 17 17 14 10 10 14 10 37
0-9 Generations 10-19 Generations 20-29 Generations 30-39 Generations
- Infinite allele mutation model is used
- Average mutation rate varies: 0.0041 to 0.0054, from FTDNA derived rates
- Values on the diagonal indicate number of markers tested
- Probability is 90% that the TMRCA is no longer than indicated

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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